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Grizzly

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Ren allowed to twist rules in their favor? Ren was on a 48 hour cd with alpha pack, they then said because alpha pack raided one of their "allies" the cd is thus reset, pproblem is they allied macedones after the raid started. Another problem is it doesnt say in the rules that their allies cant be raided,  It says  If said tribe retaliates back, then the timer resets. If ren is the only one that attacked them then they are the only one on the cd and the cd doesn't go away until they retaliate against ren, there is no way to know who all is allied to who. Unless you provide a spreadsheet. but even then alliances change every day.

This was all recorded on Tibbz stream tonight.

If Ren is allowed to twist rules in their favor, then why have rules?

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So to piggyback off this topic. Macedons raided us earlier in the week. Fine, it happens. So we decided to farm up and retaliate back on them. So before the admin event (FFA turtle battle), Boo from the tribe Ren, came over and killed a tribe mate and myself while we were in our base. This initiated the 48 hour cooldown on Ren and Gentlemens Club (alliance). When we finally pushed to raid Macedon, Malone (gentlemen's club) came over and harassed us. This is whatever, world pvp. (we were outside our ORP, so its fair game) We controlled Malone because of the harassment and kept him narcced out. Macedons asked for help in global and Ren came over and assisted them. Allying mid raid is something else. But to assume that since we are raiding Macedons that we are attacking a "newly formed" alliance, that Ren and Gentlemens club get a free ticket to raid our base and the 48hour cd is now diminished. This is not how that works. They came over and ripped through our base under the assumption that their cooldown was now reset asthey were now allies with the tribe we attacked. 

This is Boo's Stream of the whole event before he stop stream to stop the stream sniping.

https://www.twitch.tv/tibbztv/v/84600506?t=01h44m56s

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7 hours ago, Grizzly said:

Ren allowed to twist rules in their favor? Ren was on a 48 hour cd with alpha pack, they then said because alpha pack raided one of their "allies" the cd is thus reset, pproblem is they allied macedones after the raid started. Another problem is it doesnt say in the rules that their allies cant be raided,  It says  If said tribe retaliates back, then the timer resets. If ren is the only one that attacked them then they are the only one on the cd and the cd doesn't go away until they retaliate against ren, there is no way to know who all is allied to who. Unless you provide a spreadsheet. but even then alliances change every day.

This was all recorded on Tibbz stream tonight.

If Ren is allowed to twist rules in their favor, then why have rules?

 -A tribe or a tribes alliance cannot raid another tribe more than once in a 48 hour period. If said tribe retaliates back, then the timer resets.

  - Very simply put: If Tribe A attacks Tribe B Tribe A cannot attack tribe B for 48 hours. However, Tribe C who is not apart of an alliance with tribe A can still attack Tribe B.

If a tribe raids you:    -Raiding is anything such as Sniping players at their base, attacking dinos, destroying structures etc. then   - All alliance members cannot attack if one of the alliance tribes raided said tribe. It is your responsibility to inform the alliance of who you raided

and then comes back and raids you again within the 48 hr CD:  -Raiding is anything such as Sniping players at their base, attacking dinos, destroying structures etc.  

I'm not sure what all this picking up and dropping of alliance has anything to do with anything. In order for the CD to be reset the raided tribe would have to retaliate against the tribe that raided them at there base.  The only time an alliance comes into play is at the time of the raid the entire alliance of the tribe that raided is unable to reraid that tribe for 48 hrs. Any picking up or dropping of alliances after the raid is irrelevent. 

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1 minute ago, Princess said:

 -A tribe or a tribes alliance cannot raid another tribe more than once in a 48 hour period. If said tribe retaliates back, then the timer resets.

  - Very simply put: If Tribe A attacks Tribe B Tribe A cannot attack tribe B for 48 hours. However, Tribe C who is not apart of an alliance with tribe A can still attack Tribe B.

If a tribe raids you:    -Raiding is anything such as Sniping players at their base, attacking dinos, destroying structures etc. then   - All alliance members cannot attack if one of the alliance tribes raided said tribe. It is your responsibility to inform the alliance of who you raided

and then comes back and raids you again within the 48 hr CD:  -Raiding is anything such as Sniping players at their base, attacking dinos, destroying structures etc.  

I'm not sure what all this picking up and dropping of alliance has anything to do with anything. In order for the CD to be reset the raided tribe would have to retaliate against the tribe that raided them at there base.  The only time an alliance comes into play is at the time of the raid the entire alliance of the tribe that raided is unable to reraid that tribe for 48 hrs. Any picking up or dropping of alliances after the raid is irrelevent. 

This all comes from Ren saying that because Alpha Pack was raiding one of their allies, the 48 CD is void, but at the time Ren was not even allied with Macedones until after Alpha PAck was in the middle of the raid.

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 I'm not sure what all this picking up and dropping of alliance has anything to do with anything. In order for the CD to be reset the raided tribe would have to retaliate against the tribe that raided them at there base.  The only time an alliance comes into play is at the time of the raid the entire alliance of the tribe that raided is unable to reraid that tribe for 48 hrs. Any picking up or dropping of alliances after the raid is irrelevent. 

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2 minutes ago, Princess said:

 I'm not sure what all this picking up and dropping of alliance has anything to do with anything. In order for the CD to be reset the raided tribe would have to retaliate against the tribe that raided them at there base.  The only time an alliance comes into play is at the time of the raid the entire alliance of the tribe that raided is unable to reraid that tribe for 48 hrs. Any picking up or dropping of alliances after the raid is irrelevent. 

Yes I agree, but last night Ren made it clear to the server that if anyone raids their alliance, the CD is reset.

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If you were raided by a tribe twice in 48 hrs then what you need is ss's of your ORPlogs for both times they raided you as well as ss's of your tribe logs for both times they raided you...there has to be a clear lapse in time between raids. If there defense to raiding you twice in the 48 hrs is that you relaliated thus voiding the 48 hr CD then they will get the chance to show their orp logs and tribe logs to show that the re-raided tribe raided them in there base after the first raid. The only time an ally comes into play is if an ally of the tribe that raided you the first time comes and raids you within the 48hr CD then they are also in violation of the rule. 

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- All alliance members cannot attack if one of the alliance tribes raided said tribe. It is your responsibility to inform the alliance of who you raided. Furthermore, If a tribe attacks your alliance member and your current tribe has a 48 hour cooldown with that particular tribe that is attacking your alliance tribe, it does NOT reset your cooldown. You can only help defend your alliance tribe from a raid.

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